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Mac Mini M4 will not boot from external HD

I purchased a Mac Mini M4 the day they were released and tried to set it up so that it booted from an external SSD with a Crucial 4TB HD and dock. Using 15.1 for all OSs. I struggled to get it to boot and so called Apple Support, got escalated, then told me to go to Apple Store. I did and the rep at the store verified my experiences and said "I have bad news - looks like you have found an unresolved bug. I suggest you return the product and wait for the bug to be resolved". So I did. Wonder if any others have had similar experience.


David

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Minisopuru Mac Mini Dock & Stand with M.2 NVMe SSD Enclosure, Upgrade 8 in 1 Mac Mini hub Support 10Gbps USB C/A, TF& SD Card, Audio Jack, Mac Mini Accessories for Mac Mini M2/M2 Pro/M1(2018 & Later)


Crucial P3 Plus 4TB PCIe Gen4 3D NAND NVMe M.2 SSD, up to 5000MB/s - CT4000P3PSSD8


Mac Mini M4 - 256 GB HD


Bootable SSD will boot with iMac and Macbook running 15.1.


Mini recognizes the bootable SSD but when I try to restart I get error message from mini says: "OS needs to be updated".


Changed security settings for as Apple suggested (Reduced Security).

Posted on Nov 12, 2024 9:14 AM

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Posted on Nov 12, 2024 6:31 PM

I have an external boot drive for my new Mini M4. I use a WD NVME in a TB enclosure. I use carbon Copy Cloner(CCC) to clone the data, then I booted into recovery and installed 15.1 on the external and it works fine. I did not use the CCC legacy bootable tool as that does not work most of the time with Silicon Macs.

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Nov 12, 2024 6:31 PM in response to david3_1415

I have an external boot drive for my new Mini M4. I use a WD NVME in a TB enclosure. I use carbon Copy Cloner(CCC) to clone the data, then I booted into recovery and installed 15.1 on the external and it works fine. I did not use the CCC legacy bootable tool as that does not work most of the time with Silicon Macs.

Nov 12, 2024 10:14 AM in response to david3_1415

There could be several reasons why this problem exists but here is what I would do.

  • Reformat the SSD only using Disk Utility. Do not use any so-called maintenance apps which may have come with the SSD. They do cause problems. Make sure the SSD is formatted the same as your Mac's HD is.
  • Download and reinstall the OS. The original OS on it my have been corrupted. This will often happen when it is downloaded via Wi-Fi. Better to use a wired Ethernet connection. If that is not possible, then you may have to do multiple downloads to get one that works.
  • If the problem still persists, I would replace the SSD.

Nov 13, 2024 6:20 PM in response to Ronasara

Thanks for the reply.

  • I did use Disk Utility.
  • I re-downloaded and re-installed the OS twice. And since it works with two other Macs, it was my guess that it was a good OS.
  • The SSD appears to be the most likely culprit but since the M4 minis are so new I don't see any that specify they work with that. tbirdvet did note that he got a combo working so that is one to try. I am hoping that there are others.

Thanks


Nov 13, 2024 5:20 AM in response to david3_1415

Those all in one docks have never been a reliable system for a bootable external drive.


You really need to use a standalone external USB4 or Thunderbolt enclosure for a bootable SSD and even then you need to make sure you have the right combination of enclosure and SSD, not just for boot ability but even just to work fast and reliable. Many combinations simply don't work on a Mac (or a PC for that matter).

Nov 14, 2024 10:38 AM in response to david3_1415

I have exactly the same problem, got my M4 the day of the release to swap a M1 Mac mini which I have booting from this external drive, when I started the M4 and connect the external WD NVME on a TB Acacis case I get an "SDErrorDomain error 104". Escalate to a senior engineer on Sunday from apple and they haven't get back to me. Getting frustrated because Apple shouldn't block this kind of practice to force people to purchase their savage and expensive storage ! If I don't resolve this in the next days I'll return the machine.

Nov 15, 2024 4:18 AM in response to Luis Berrios

I had the same issue. With the new Mac you need to make a new bootable drive. The previous bootable drive will not work. The Platform is not compatible. I redid my bootable drive using the new M4 Mac and works fine. That being said I did use my previous external clone drive to migrate to my new Mac M4 and had no issues. It just could not be used as a boot drive until I redid it using the new Mac M4.

Nov 15, 2024 5:43 PM in response to david3_1415

david3_1415 wrote:

Bootable SSD will boot with iMac and Macbook running 15.1.


Are those machines Intel-based or Apple-Silicon-based?


I would not be too surprised to find that any particular installation of macOS works only with one processor type. Sequoia runs both on Apple Silicon Macs and on some Intel Macs, but that would not necessarily mean that you could take a Sequoia startup drive from an Intel Mac, and boot from it on an Apple Silicon Mac, or vice versa.

Nov 16, 2024 5:49 AM in response to tbirdvet

tbirdvet wrote:

I had the same issue. With the new Mac you need to make a new bootable drive. The previous bootable drive will not work. The Platform is not compatible. I redid my bootable drive using the new M4 Mac and works fine. That being said I did use my previous external clone drive to migrate to my new Mac M4 and had no issues. It just could not be used as a boot drive until I redid it using the new Mac M4.

Platform issues aside, this is likely a security thing Apple has in place. Any macOS installation has an "ownership" linked not only to an admin user but also to the machine. This is likely to prevent anyone with a "generic" external boot drive from plugging into any Mac, booting it, and then scraping data from a stolen machine.

Nov 19, 2024 9:58 AM in response to tbirdvet

tbirdvet wrote:

I have an external boot drive for my new Mini M4. I use a WD NVME in a TB enclosure. I use carbon Copy Cloner(CCC) to clone the data, then I booted into recovery and installed 15.1 on the external and it works fine. I did not use the CCC legacy bootable tool as that does not work most of the time with Silicon Macs.

They are all Silicon these days (I guess) but you may mean Apple or Intel processors.

Nov 19, 2024 10:09 AM in response to Ian R. Brown

Ian R. Brown wrote:

When you format the SSD make sure you format the Physical Disk and not a Volume.

I made that mistake a year ago and wondered why it would not boot.

This is a sticking point on the route to cleaning and replacing the file system on a new SSD. The instructions on the Apple help site are not clear about navigating the different things Drive/Volume/Volume Group/Container/Media. Selecting the right name/label for such things is quite important.

https://www.seagate.com/gb/en/support/kb/how-to-format-your-drive-apfs-on-macos-big-sur-and-later/


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