MacPro 4,1 starting with grey screen after SMC and PRAM resets

My Mac Pro (Early 2009) running El Capitan starts up with a grey screen, I have to do an SMC and a PRAM reset each time. Trying to wake it from sleep mode doesn't work when a password is required to wake it up, only after deactivating this feature waking from sleep is possible. With password required, either the password field remains inactive, or after typing in the password, it keeps spinning.


The only other flaw I noticed is that trying to generate a system report (from About this mac) causes beachballing with every else inactive and inaccessible.


EtreCheck renders nothing.


Any idea?


Thanks!

Posted on Jul 27, 2024 12:52 PM

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Posted on Jul 27, 2024 3:23 PM

your boot drive is Full. You may be moments away from a very spectacular crash.


you have only 26.23 GB free, and the swap file is on that drive, so just open a few more web pages and kaboom! For reference, MacOS consumes over 9GB of drive space going from a cold start to fully operational.


in addition, you have not enabled TRIM, so that drive has slowed to the speed of a rotating magnetic drive:


Performance:


    System Load: 3.86 (1 min ago) 4.73 (5 min ago) 2.75 (15 min ago)

    Nominal I/O speed: 0.03 MB/s

    File system: 15.16 seconds

    Write speed: 233 MB/s

    Read speed: 269 MB/s


use Terminal command:


sudo trimforce enable


and enter your password (which will not be echoed) and follow the directions, culminating with an automatic restart to engage.


https://www.lifewire.com/enable-trim-for-ssd-in-os-x-yosemite-2260789


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Jul 30, 2024 12:26 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Thanks once more Grant. I'm trying to do that, but Create a bootable installer for macOS - Apple Support instructs me to make sure it is an installer app, not a .dmg or pkg. The only indication on how to get that app that I find is https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/254223/how-to-convert-a-macos-installer-pkg-into-an-app-to-run-it, but that didn't work on any Mac I could get my hand on: pkgutil --expand InstallMacOSX.pkg installmacosxpkg returns Could not open package for expansion: InstallMacOSX.pkg. I know this isn't really the topic here and I'm happy to start another thread, but maybe there's an obvious answer to this?


Jul 30, 2024 2:15 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Great, that worked! Thanks so much. Now I have the installer open, and would try and install the system on an empty internal disk, intending to then migrate from the previous system disk, then clean install on that previous disk, and finally migrate back to that one (since it is the only ssd I have for that 15 years old machine). Or is there a smarter way to repair the system without losing settings, apps etc.?

Jul 31, 2024 4:46 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

Sounds good. Now, a new problem (one at each step … ) — I created another bootable installer (on the very same USB stick), and it boots fine on another mac but not on the one in question (the MacPro). However when I take out the system drive from that MacPro so that no bootable system remains in the computer, it does once again boot from the USB stick. A riddle to me in itself, it makes it impossible to boot from it in order to restore the previous system from the Time Machine backup to the new system. Any idea why? Thanks, once more. 

Jul 31, 2024 5:29 PM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

The damaged disk is and has been removed, it is out of the picture.


I replaced it with a new and undamaged hard drive.


On that new and undamaged hard drive, I installed El Capitan from the Installer on a USB Stick.


Then I erased the USB Stick and created a bootable installer on it once again*.


Then I tried to boot the mac from that newly set up USB stick. But the system won't boot from that. I can only boot the new internal system. (In that new internal system's preferences, the USB stick isn't even recognised as bootable.)


Now if I take the new hard drive with the new system on it out of the mac (physically), so that no system remains in the mac, I can once again boot from the USB stick. But only then. (And to no avail of course, as without the new system present, I can't restore the previous system on it from Time Machine).


Briefly put:

— MacOS present on (undamaged) internal drive —> no booting from USB Stick.

— NO MacOS present on any drive —> booting from USB Stick works fine.


*(because just as you had told me: If you install on the internal disk, the Installer will be erased at the end of the process. Since I need an external drive to boot the Mac in order to be able to restore the previous system from Time Machine to the new system on the new hard drive, and since I have no other means to create a bootable second system internal or external, I created a bootable installer on that same USB stick)

Aug 1, 2024 8:43 AM in response to Grant Bennet-Alder

To do a restore on to a drive, best practice is to have MacOS installed and stable on that drive already, then use Migration Assistant to bring your files over from time machine backup driveMove content to a new Mac - Apple support


Transfer to a new Mac with Migration Assistant - Apple Support


Migration Assistant 'takes over' everything, and takes a surprisingly long elapsed time. First it may need to compute a Spotlight index of the data. Once data transfer begins, it takes a bit longer than a FULL backup, likely all afternoon to overnight. You may want to set this up late in the day and let it run overnight, and be ready for it not to be done by morning. 


"the best way" is to use your Time machine backup from the old Mac as the source for Migration Assistant running on the new Mac. Connecting that drive using USB-2 is as fast as almost every Rotating Magnetic drive, and will not produce a noticeable slowdown doing this transfer.




Aug 7, 2024 8:25 AM in response to Nikolai Franke

Once you have MacOS up and running reasonably, the method you use to get different versions changes dramatically. You use the running MacOS 10.11 El captain to download 10.12 Sierra.


To move to 10.13 High Sierra, you switch to Mac App Store download, But only by using the links in that same article:


How to download and install macOS - Apple Support


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